As was experienced during the Great Jaiku Outage of 2008, Twitter is not an option. Maybe Pownce or Friendfeed? Not too excited about either, I must admit...
Heh. It doesn't take much for people to abandon ship. Jaiku has felt pretty solid to me over the last while, but obviously something like Jaiku is akin to instant messaging - if your IM went down for a day you'd be pretty ticked off I guess.
I hope Google aren't just going to let Jaiku slowly fade out.
@alexleonard: I'd be happy if there were some sort of information given to us about what's wrong, is something being done to it, what's the estimated schedule etc. I've started to stray to other microblogging platforms already before these problems started, and I like how the community/main developers handle issues with identi.ca/laconi.ca.
@cybette: I completely agree with myrtti. A clearly visible statement on Jaiku would already help a lot so we know what's going on. Ideally as well, while Jaiku is down, not only when things got resolved.
@njyo: i just went with my first instinct and checked @jyri and the team's jaiku streams to see if they are aware of the problem. yes, it would be nice to have a statement somewhere, but where? people access jaiku by different means (e.g. mobile client) so homepage or blog might not always work.
@cybette: and how many of the Jaiku users know to check @jyri or know the other members of the team? I came to scream in this thread immediately I noticed problems...
if you don't know the team, they are listed on the blog. just proves my point how many people actually read the blog. sure, maybe @jaiku is a better choice, then again, there's no one central point (this needs to be remedied). maybe now it is the FUCK thread since it's at the top of the explore page?
ok, just installed the pownce app on the iphone... this must be a joke, right? the app has exactly one feature: create new message. wow. and m.pownce.com isn't much better it seems. wtf? i'm afr (pownce), and nondual (brightkite) btw.
ive 15 invites left too. email me dw at o2.ie if anyone wants one.
brightkite is great, but the thing is it seems to be overkill. too many options and things going on. jaiku is simplicity in comparison. no need to "check-in" etc.
while everyone is in the mood to try new things, here is another http://nulaz.com . Found out about them at the weekend, and they are not closed (ie anyone can sign up ;) so head on over and grab your usual on-line names!
Been around for over 2years, similar features to Brightkite, but with a Java client for the phone (it is not "signed" so will keep asking for permission to use GPS unless you alter application permissions), and developed in Europe not US.
So Jaiku's been down now again..... well Brightkite is a god alternative I think, I have tried both Rejaw and Kwippy when Jaiku was on the move. Rejaw is good but for me Brightkite is better!
Absolutely. I don't know about the likelihood of Jaiku dying - if Google did decide to close it down (and they're not fond of non-google-branded products) that would be the end of it. Jaiku wouldn't reappear as an independent again (I believe).
You're completely right about it being about creatures - I'd miss everyone I've gotten to know on Jaiku.
cool, rejaw also does the IM thing: "Register your Google Talk / Jabber account, and receive real-time notification for shouts, whispers, replies, and followers. We'll add more IM services such as MSN or AIM in the near future.". and there's also an iphone app :)
@alexleonard: true. i don't like that the actual message is the smallest part of a "shout" entry.. not very logical. jaiku is much better readable.. can you change that, please? ;)
things i don't like about rejaw: automatically closing threads (having the option will be nice); if i'm typing a new shout and the page refreshes, what i've typed disappears; no mobile client. unless there have been changes since i last checked it out.
who are you all kidding, you're not going to switch just like twitter users don't swiitch. have fun playing in the new school yard, i'll be here when you come back.
@cybette: you mean the page does auto-refreshes while typing in a text box?? and what do you mean by "aut. closing threads"? btw, there's a mobile client for the iphone.. ;p
most, if not all, of my Finnish friends will be here and since i use this service to mainly talk with my meatspace friends who actually live near and interact with me on a regular basis i think i'll be OK.
ah, i see. that's a really strange "feature".. (close after 2 days). also, there's no view where all the comments are visible among the shouts. huh? so if you don't explicitly open a shout, you will never see any comments of that shout, even if you are following the people who commented? makes not much sense to me. it's like jaiku with the "hide comments" option switched on. totally boring.
What makes Jaiku so useful is that it seems to cover a complete gamut of different ways of posting and receiving messages. You have IM, SMS, desktop apps, S60 app, a really good mobile site, um, and yeah, the site is really straightforward to use and follow what's going on.
Personally I find the IM bot the most useful, as I'm at the desktop most often. Next most often I use m.jaiku.com from opera mini (as I have no 3g in the area to use the s60 app). However, everyone has different ways of using it, and I'm not sure if another service will cover them all.
And I really like Jaiku. Come on guys, let us know what's going on :(
I like Jaiku too much to stop using it, I'm just checking out what else is on offer... if nothing else, this makes me realise how much I actually depend on Jaiku nowadays...
i think we all would like to stay with jaiku, but messages like "yeah, looking into it, am on vacation and am having trouble getting access myself" don't sound very reassuring, don't they.. ;p
even with the glitch, my Jaiku stream is moving faster than those on Rejaw, Brightkite and Pownce. Shows that the community / creatures make a difference :) and the fact that Jaiku puts comments in the overview stream sets it apart from all the rest.
@afr: no it doesn't. we're faithful jaikuers but even our patience has a limit.
totally agree with the "comments in overview" argument. i haven't been aware of that before. i wonder why all the others don't/can't do that (?). ok, except for twitter, but that's probably because there are no threads anyway.. ahem..
@cybette: I agree; features do make a considerable difference. The integration that Jaiku has done (that others haven't as so much as copied completely) fits a lot of us pretty nicely. To have to move to another service-community, and not have all that same funcitonality is a bit much to ask.
Personally, of all those services that others have been speaking about, none really make me ancy for anything. At this point, I'd just as much prefer to take my mobile web server, and then have jaiku-like features (subscribing to others' mobi-sites and feed aggregration) pretty much be the next move. Another service to manage isn't exactly webby.
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that made me cry. :'(
1 year ago by Valentine
@jaiku: what caused it?
1 year ago by BUGabundo
Just offline? It was hours!!!
1 year ago by Niek
My 2 favourite sites was down @ same time, it made me cry more than @Valentine :(
1 year ago by Mehow
Well, jaiku is like twitter so the downtime is normal!
1 year ago by mikaelohren
who got broken?
1 year ago by skreech2
LOL
1 year ago by TheMyth
@Mehow: :D
1 year ago by Valentine
Crying makes you smile?
1 year ago by skreech2
nothing is perfect
1 year ago by AhmadM
@AhmadM: But some things are fuckin' close
1 year ago by Mehow
This is my favorite site. Nothing is perfect.
12 months ago by gojer
baaad
11 months, 3 weeks ago by vivaldi
and it was down again
11 months, 2 weeks ago by BUGabundo
It was n't the first time and won't be last time. LOL
11 months, 2 weeks ago by TheMyth
Did the post new jaiku break again?
11 months, 1 week ago by myrtti
Why can't I post new messages? Only comments. Sending by sms not working either. What is wrong, and when will it be fixed?
11 months, 1 week ago by fritts
Don't worry it will fix temporarily
11 months, 1 week ago by TheMyth
Any news on when jaiku is working properly again?
11 months, 1 week ago by hannamanna
Please, let us know.
These breaks are really annoying. The effect is almost the same as when your mobile phone connection is not working and you don't know why.
11 months, 1 week ago by jsaarikko
Should we move to plan B? Twitter. C? Pownce D? Friendfeed or ?
11 months, 1 week ago by Kitti
Does "free online service" mean "it works if it works" to Google?
@kitti: What would be feasible plan B?
11 months, 1 week ago by jsaarikko
/me votes for identica - you can run it yourself and distribute with other OMB / laconica instances.
11 months, 1 week ago by myrtti
As was experienced during the Great Jaiku Outage of 2008, Twitter is not an option. Maybe Pownce or Friendfeed? Not too excited about either, I must admit...
11 months, 1 week ago by tulensrma
maybe we just have to move back to the old fashioned way of communicating in person? yup, not too pleased about these outages...
11 months, 1 week ago by hannamanna
Or, we could set up laconi.ca. :)
11 months, 1 week ago by mandrl
@mandrl: ah, true.
s/identica/laconica/
My mistake
11 months, 1 week ago by myrtti
@myrtti: Sorry, I didn't properly read your comment...
11 months, 1 week ago by mandrl
@tulensrma Then there's Brightkite, apparently unexplored so far? Otherwise Pownce beats FriendFeed for purposes of conversation, IMHO. Nice iPhone app, too. :)
11 months, 1 week ago by spongefile
Heh. It doesn't take much for people to abandon ship. Jaiku has felt pretty solid to me over the last while, but obviously something like Jaiku is akin to instant messaging - if your IM went down for a day you'd be pretty ticked off I guess.
I hope Google aren't just going to let Jaiku slowly fade out.
11 months, 1 week ago by alexleonard
@alexleonard: I'd be happy if there were some sort of information given to us about what's wrong, is something being done to it, what's the estimated schedule etc. I've started to stray to other microblogging platforms already before these problems started, and I like how the community/main developers handle issues with identi.ca/laconi.ca.
11 months, 1 week ago by myrtti
I'll gladly stay at Jaiku, just that I'd prefer better notice if things don't work... :-S
11 months, 1 week ago by njyo
I'm not too quick to jump ship, just want to know what is going on and how long it's going to take them to fix it...
11 months, 1 week ago by hannamanna
they're working on it - here, here and here - but no eta for the fix (at least none that i came across)
11 months, 1 week ago by cybette
@cybette: yes, but it would be lovely to have a central point for this information, and not have it in some $random persons Jaiku thread...
11 months, 1 week ago by myrtti
@myrtti: yes, but remember, they can't post new jaikus :P the blog would be a good place for this info but how many of us check the blog?
11 months, 1 week ago by cybette
@alexleonard: It's difficult to change big part of your social network to another platform.
I love Jaiku and all it's features. I would hate to go, but there will be limits. Now it feels like someone's stretching them.
11 months, 1 week ago by jsaarikko
@cybette: I completely agree with myrtti. A clearly visible statement on Jaiku would already help a lot so we know what's going on. Ideally as well, while Jaiku is down, not only when things got resolved.
11 months, 1 week ago by njyo
@njyo: i just went with my first instinct and checked @jyri and the team's jaiku streams to see if they are aware of the problem. yes, it would be nice to have a statement somewhere, but where? people access jaiku by different means (e.g. mobile client) so homepage or blog might not always work.
11 months, 1 week ago by cybette
I check the blogs if it isn't working... cos maybe I missed Jaiku had planned maint. But as usual there is nothing on the blog :/
11 months, 1 week ago by KevanV
@cybette: and how many of the Jaiku users know to check @jyri or know the other members of the team? I came to scream in this thread immediately I noticed problems...
11 months, 1 week ago by myrtti
i actually just installed brightkite on the iphone yesterday. looks really nice. a lot of interesting features, incl. threaded conversations.. :)
11 months, 1 week ago by afr
if you don't know the team, they are listed on the blog. just proves my point how many people actually read the blog. sure, maybe @jaiku is a better choice, then again, there's no one central point (this needs to be remedied). maybe now it is the FUCK thread since it's at the top of the explore page?
11 months, 1 week ago by cybette
@afr: i do like Brightkite too, just that the community isn't there yet (at least amongst my network of friends)
11 months, 1 week ago by cybette
@cybette: isn't any serious jaiku fan supposed to subscribe to the jaiku blog via RSS anyways..? ;)
11 months, 1 week ago by afr
test, jaiku is still down?
11 months, 1 week ago by TheMyth
ok, just installed the pownce app on the iphone... this must be a joke, right? the app has exactly one feature: create new message. wow. and m.pownce.com isn't much better it seems. wtf? i'm afr (pownce), and nondual (brightkite) btw.
11 months, 1 week ago by afr
Pownce never grabbed me
11 months, 1 week ago by alexleonard
Is the only way to get into Brightkite to wait for their invitation? Or can someone here send me one?
11 months, 1 week ago by roxeteer
i have 15 brightkite invites left, it seems.. just shoot your emails if you like
11 months, 1 week ago by afr
i'm cybette on both. @roxeteer: what's your email? i have some invites
11 months, 1 week ago by cybette
hit me up ;) alexleonard2003 at gmail etc
11 months, 1 week ago by alexleonard
hannamanninen at yahoo.co.uk
11 months, 1 week ago by hannamanna
Cool, thanks @cybette and @dw! I emailed you, @dw.
11 months, 1 week ago by roxeteer
mnahanama da da da da da
11 months, 1 week ago by alexleonard
ive 15 invites left too. email me dw at o2.ie if anyone wants one.
brightkite is great, but the thing is it seems to be overkill. too many options and things going on. jaiku is simplicity in comparison. no need to "check-in" etc.
11 months, 1 week ago by dw
I will remain faithful to Jaiku as I've stated previously. If Jaiku fails, it'll be good-bye microconversatin' for me.
11 months, 1 week ago by tulensrma
@roxeteer, Brighkite is quite ok, but I think Pownce is even better. Hope to c u there! :)
11 months, 1 week ago by asmunder
@alexleonard & @hannamanna: invites sent
11 months, 1 week ago by cybette
@asmunder, I tried Pownce during the last Great Outage, but didn't really like it. Maybe I'll have to give it another try.
11 months, 1 week ago by roxeteer
thx @cybette! @all: I'm also on Pownce as HannaManna if you want to add me
11 months, 1 week ago by hannamanna
Thanks for that. Not sure what I think of it, but we'll see.
11 months, 1 week ago by alexleonard
too bad there is no jaiku buddy import feature. only twitter.. would simplify things a lot..
11 months, 1 week ago by afr
@afr: was just thinking the same while updating pownce
11 months, 1 week ago by hannamanna
nice.. already received the first spam-comment on pownce. unfortunately there's no "mark as spam" button, only "delete".
11 months, 1 week ago by afr
I don't think I've ever had a spam comment on Jaiku - guess it's the invite only thing?
11 months, 1 week ago by alexleonard
while everyone is in the mood to try new things, here is another http://nulaz.com . Found out about them at the weekend, and they are not closed (ie anyone can sign up ;) so head on over and grab your usual on-line names!
Been around for over 2years, similar features to Brightkite, but with a Java client for the phone (it is not "signed" so will keep asking for permission to use GPS unless you alter application permissions), and developed in Europe not US.
11 months, 1 week ago by ymb
So Jaiku's been down now again..... well Brightkite is a god alternative I think, I have tried both Rejaw and Kwippy when Jaiku was on the move. Rejaw is good but for me Brightkite is better!
11 months, 1 week ago by Cityrat59
Well, even if Jaiku suddenly dies - not likely - it's hard to just move to another site. As someone said, it's not about features but creatures.
11 months, 1 week ago by mandrl
hmm.. rejaw looks interesting indeed. quite some of the familiar people over there..
11 months, 1 week ago by afr
Absolutely. I don't know about the likelihood of Jaiku dying - if Google did decide to close it down (and they're not fond of non-google-branded products) that would be the end of it. Jaiku wouldn't reappear as an independent again (I believe).
You're completely right about it being about creatures - I'd miss everyone I've gotten to know on Jaiku.
11 months, 1 week ago by alexleonard
I actually quite like mobicue, but I don't know anyone who uses it? I'm on rejaw and identi.ca, oh and twitter as always :)
11 months, 1 week ago by gerrymoth
cool, rejaw also does the IM thing: "Register your Google Talk / Jabber account, and receive real-time notification for shouts, whispers, replies, and followers. We'll add more IM services such as MSN or AIM in the near future.". and there's also an iphone app :)
11 months, 1 week ago by afr
I've been checking out Brightkite and Pownce but feel a bit lost, will take a while to figure them out since I'm so use to Jaiku
11 months, 1 week ago by hannamanna
Aye, brightkite seems like it's got a lot more features. I do love Jaiku for its simplicity.
11 months, 1 week ago by alexleonard
aaaaand it has private messages..?? wow :) it looks like rejaw is pretty much = jaiku, minus feeds, plus PMs. ok, let's all move there! :D
11 months, 1 week ago by afr
Jaiku does a good job in forcing the most active users to try out all the options. Any brightkite invites left? (jaiku-username at iki dot fi)
11 months, 1 week ago by shuopio
@cybette: Do you have Brightkite invite for me, too? I really don't want to leave Jaiku, but just in case... :-/
11 months, 1 week ago by map
@shuopio brightkite invite sent
11 months, 1 week ago by cybette
@shupio: just sent you an invite
11 months, 1 week ago by hannamanna
@map: one for you too!
11 months, 1 week ago by cybette
holy fuck! rejaw has a "mute" feature for threads..?? i think i'm in <3
11 months, 1 week ago by afr
You're making rejaw sound awfully good
11 months, 1 week ago by alexleonard
and it has a "favorite" button too :)
11 months, 1 week ago by afr
It's not the prettiest thing in the world, but then again, neither was jaiku until I created a stylish css for it.. ;)
11 months, 1 week ago by alexleonard
Thanks, dear! As I guessed, I had to pick my longer nic, so feel free to add minnaryyni.
11 months, 1 week ago by map
just checking out rejaw...
11 months, 1 week ago by hannamanna
@alexleonard: true. i don't like that the actual message is the smallest part of a "shout" entry.. not very logical. jaiku is much better readable.. can you change that, please? ;)
11 months, 1 week ago by afr
things i don't like about rejaw: automatically closing threads (having the option will be nice); if i'm typing a new shout and the page refreshes, what i've typed disappears; no mobile client. unless there have been changes since i last checked it out.
11 months, 1 week ago by cybette
who are you all kidding, you're not going to switch just like twitter users don't swiitch. have fun playing in the new school yard, i'll be here when you come back.
11 months, 1 week ago by constantine
The annoying thing with rejaw is, you have to keep signing in. And you can't export the updates to friendfeed.
11 months, 1 week ago by fritts
@cybette: you mean the page does auto-refreshes while typing in a text box?? and what do you mean by "aut. closing threads"? btw, there's a mobile client for the iphone.. ;p
11 months, 1 week ago by afr
main "fail" for rejaw - no mobile client
11 months, 1 week ago by ymb
@constantine But will Jaiku be here when you come back?
11 months, 1 week ago by gerrymoth
don't like the look and feel of rejaw...still trying to figure out brightkite and find friends on pownce
11 months, 1 week ago by hannamanna
@afr threads close after 2 days with no activity
11 months, 1 week ago by ymb
most, if not all, of my Finnish friends will be here and since i use this service to mainly talk with my meatspace friends who actually live near and interact with me on a regular basis i think i'll be OK.
11 months, 1 week ago by constantine
@constantine: I'll be here with you :-). Just wanted to have some backup, if this doesn't wake up...
11 months, 1 week ago by map
I'm sad that I'm even looking at other services.
11 months, 1 week ago by alexleonard
ah, i see. that's a really strange "feature".. (close after 2 days). also, there's no view where all the comments are visible among the shouts. huh? so if you don't explicitly open a shout, you will never see any comments of that shout, even if you are following the people who commented? makes not much sense to me. it's like jaiku with the "hide comments" option switched on. totally boring.
11 months, 1 week ago by afr
Is there an alternative to jaiku that sends me free sms?
11 months, 1 week ago by fritts
What makes Jaiku so useful is that it seems to cover a complete gamut of different ways of posting and receiving messages. You have IM, SMS, desktop apps, S60 app, a really good mobile site, um, and yeah, the site is really straightforward to use and follow what's going on.
11 months, 1 week ago by alexleonard
@cybette & @hannamanna: thanks!
11 months, 1 week ago by shuopio
Personally I find the IM bot the most useful, as I'm at the desktop most often. Next most often I use m.jaiku.com from opera mini (as I have no 3g in the area to use the s60 app). However, everyone has different ways of using it, and I'm not sure if another service will cover them all.
And I really like Jaiku. Come on guys, let us know what's going on :(
11 months, 1 week ago by alexleonard
I should really be working. Ahem.
11 months, 1 week ago by alexleonard
I'm getting more active in Twitter. D'oh.
11 months, 1 week ago by Jussi
I like Jaiku too much to stop using it, I'm just checking out what else is on offer... if nothing else, this makes me realise how much I actually depend on Jaiku nowadays...
11 months, 1 week ago by hannamanna
Aye. I think I'm in love ;)
11 months, 1 week ago by alexleonard
@hannamanna: I second that. I do not dump personal things like this very easily ;)
11 months, 1 week ago by shuopio
i think we all would like to stay with jaiku, but messages like "yeah, looking into it, am on vacation and am having trouble getting access myself" don't sound very reassuring, don't they.. ;p
11 months, 1 week ago by afr
even with the glitch, my Jaiku stream is moving faster than those on Rejaw, Brightkite and Pownce. Shows that the community / creatures make a difference :) and the fact that Jaiku puts comments in the overview stream sets it apart from all the rest.
@afr: no it doesn't. we're faithful jaikuers but even our patience has a limit.
11 months, 1 week ago by cybette
totally agree with the "comments in overview" argument. i haven't been aware of that before. i wonder why all the others don't/can't do that (?). ok, except for twitter, but that's probably because there are no threads anyway.. ahem..
11 months, 1 week ago by afr
@cybette: I agree; features do make a considerable difference. The integration that Jaiku has done (that others haven't as so much as copied completely) fits a lot of us pretty nicely. To have to move to another service-community, and not have all that same funcitonality is a bit much to ask.
Personally, of all those services that others have been speaking about, none really make me ancy for anything. At this point, I'd just as much prefer to take my mobile web server, and then have jaiku-like features (subscribing to others' mobi-sites and feed aggregration) pretty much be the next move. Another service to manage isn't exactly webby.
11 months, 1 week ago by arjw
That's what it is. No comments in overview - I was wondering what felt so wrong!
11 months, 1 week ago by alexleonard
this wall thing is pretty cool (say, for bars or events etc): http://brightkite.com/wall
11 months, 1 week ago by afr
TweetDeck almost makes twitter usable for me. I am ktneely there and bogart on Brightkite.
No service, however, has been able to match Jaiku in terms of conversational usability and that is what is important to me.
11 months, 1 week ago by bogart
Can people SMS posts in now?
11 months, 1 week ago by alexleonard
Aaaaahhhh
11 months, 1 week ago by alexleonard
Pownce will shut down on December 15: http://www.sixapart.com/pownce
11 months, 1 week ago by roxeteer
go go jaiku your are my all time favorite just like online clothing shipping at http://fashion4us.com enjoy the beautiful life guys.
4 days, 6 hours ago by fantomknight10